Monday, December 13, 2010

Religious belief discussions

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You, angels of the realm of glory
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Frank M. Version. Post 16
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Chapter 3
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RELIGIOUS BELIEF DISCUSSIONS
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Before I start writing anything in this chapter, let me say a short prayer:
My Lord God, in these hours of need I pray you to guide and help me to write these religious belief discussions according to your will. Father, hear my prayer! Amen.
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In the previous post ‘Describe your God’ we have already seen that perhaps God could be different to different people, so, we have described how God could be like in a way that perhaps even the non believers atheists may partly accept, but this is not all, because I need to continue these discussions and try to make sense to everybody.
So in this post, Religious beliefs discussions, I am going to state to you my own religious beliefs: I believe that I need to do that in a way that what I am writing here would be able to link the old religious beliefs with the new modified religious beliefs of the future.
So, let me say what I have to say; I believe that there is only one God throughout the universe, and He is the Creator and master of the whole universe, and therefore He is also the eternal positive and active life-force that keeps the universe alive, and guides the whole universe with his greater wisdom.
I believe in this God-Most-High who is the eternal unseen life-force that guides the whole universe, even though I could not see Him. And I believe also that the whole universe is full of many seen and unseen active things, and even though I cannot see these unseen active things I know that they are there and they are working together in a parallel way with the seen things; therefore, they are helping each other in the never ending life cycle of the whole universe.
I believe that since God-Most-High is the active life-force of all living beings in the universe, from the largest to the smallest living being or thing; it follows that all the life-force of living beings or things to God they shall return when they die.
Therefore, I believe that through God-Most-High-life-force every living creature receives their gift of life when they are born, and at the end of their lives their life-force will return to God-Most-High-life-force, and there in the spiritual form they will stay waiting for next round, if and when there is a next round.
I have good reasons to believe that the following is true, because it is believed that within this parallel spiritual world the highest order of all living beings that return to God’s life-force, may one day, be judged according to their lives’ deeds that is if and when there is a real judgment day. To understand better what I believe and mean about judgment and salvation you need to read that part of my religious writings called ‘Reconciliation of the Universe’.
I believe that God our father is the Creator of everything and drives the whole universe as He likes, since any existing things in the whole universe belongs to Him, that is everything at all: Like the earth and everything on it; like the growing vegetation on land and in the sea; like all sorts of fishes and animals, and all mankind irrespective to where a person is born and to which race that person belongs; and He is also the master of the stars and all other celestial planets, and all celestial beings material or spiritual in the whole universe. You will understand my own views of how God-life-force is everywhere in the universe at the same time, when you read my theory about the living God-life-force of the universe, in my writings of Reconciliation of the Universe.
In this post of Religious belief discussions, I would like to state once again my beliefs; I believe that God is our heavenly father and to Him we should turn for help when we need any help, this makes sense, because we have to believe that since any good father loves to help his own children; it should follows that God who is the best father of them all should like to help us more than anyone of us thinks possible, and that would happen only if we turn to God our Father and praying ask for his help; let us not forget that!
Therefore during our lives, let us always pray God our Father whenever we feel threatened helpless or concerned about ourselves and also for the rest of the world, and also when we need his guidance or help, in order to do the right things and live according to God’s will.
As it happens just now I feel like that I need to pray God for help, since I feel concerned with this struggle that’s taking place within myself, which is like this: While I struggle within my mind with these thoughts, I keep asking myself whether or not I have to write these religious writings, not only because I am not a writer and it is not going to be easy for me to write them; but also because I foresee that I could encounter many problems while I am writing them right now, and also in the future only because I have written them.
So, I may as well start praying God hoping that God would help me overcome my concerns!
Now, let me explain to you here, where I stand in relation to these religious writings and my own background. You see, just because I am a Roman Catholic born I have been taught to pray like one, and therefore, I have only been able to modify my ways of praying to a certain extend through my own modified beliefs. So, today I am praying to the living God who is the active God-Life-Force of the whole universe thus:
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THIS IS MY OPENING PRAYER.
In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy-Spirit, I am praying and humbly asking you God-Most-High and Eternal Merciful Father for your help. I am praying because I feel from within my heart that I have been called to write these religious beliefs, and that I should write them in order to help humanity understand these modified religious beliefs. So, Father if it is your will and you would want me to write them; then you would have to help me, because I would not be able to write them without your help.
So, first of all I pray you Father to let your guiding force guide me to write the right things in these religious writings, and then, because I am concerned about writing them for my own safety, help me overcome my concerns and fears about writing them.
Father, hear my prayer and help me to write them, and also help me to overcome my concerns and fears! Amen.
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Wednesday, November 24, 2010

Describe your God

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Frank M. Version) Post 15
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You, angels of the realm of glory
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You tell us the wonders of God's creation.
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My speech (Fran)
And this is what I said:
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I believe that every one of us may believe in God, but we all believe in a slightly different ways, so it could be useful if we discuss about God and call this post Describe your God.
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Anyhow, Mark and Gino, now that you have seen for yourselves what religious people think and what atheist think, I am sure that you might start thinking more like me, which is that something needs to be done to help religions find a way of complete peaceful co-existence.
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To achieve complete peaceful co-existence is not easy the way religions are today, therefore, I believe that religions need to be reviewed and bought in line with the present times; but nobody wants to listen to my approach, or to anybody else that thinks like me? So, there is not much that one can do presently; but one can always start thinking about the possibilities, if one day something can be done to solve this religious problem.
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The only way that this can be achieved is to come up with a theory, which allows the existence of religions as they are; but at the same time finds a way and shows it clearly to the people that all religions are a link of the same chain. I know this is not as simple as it sounds, but if we keep looking we will find the way. So, I am going to ask you to describe your God?
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Talking for myself, I have found that there was a philosopher called, Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not be just the way that religions want you to believe nowadays; but it could be that God was more like Mother Nature therefore it is more likely that we all are part of God and God is everything or at least every living thing in existence. -
Now if God could not be exactly how we believe god is like; then it may well be that God is more like what Spinoza believed god was like, this may very well be the link that we need to find in order to link all existing religions together.
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Then if we think a bit like Spinoza and add to knowledge which we have today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all religions together.
So, let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for all; which we could call God-Most-High.
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My friends Mark and Gino said; yes let us make a list of how god could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to Spinoza thinking about, what is God?
Well I said; a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so I have already written something about, what is God? So here is what I wrote and I think that it answers the question, Describe your God?
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What is God?

God-Most-High is the unseen life force of the whole universe.
The unseen cosmos and God is one and the same thing.
God uses this cosmos to communicate with everything.
So, throughout the unseen cosmos of the whole universe,
God-Life-Force continually gives life to every living thing.
The cosmos radiates God’s medium for every living thing,
And God hopes that through it man would follow Him.
So, happy should be those who are able to follow Him.
For those who do, God has promised them eternal life.
So, follow God’s rules and you will save yourself forever.
But if you don’t; you would not find your way to salvation.
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At this point my friends were astonished and were reflecting what I had written, and then they said; Fran, this god you are talking about could indeed overcome most if not all obstacles, which nowadays exist in religions. Of course that can only happen if religions are willing to accept this new way of seeing god, and also are ready to change a little bit, so, we think that you really have been able to describe your God.
But now we are wondering how we could describe this god and say who is God, not just what is God?
We are willing to help while we are here.
Then, we started to work together on the definitions below, hoping that we would be able to explain who is God? Or at least try to explain who is God?
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WHO IS GOD?
So, let me briefly describe the grandeur of God of the Universe.
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There is only one true existing God throughout the universe.
This God is the positive active life-force of the whole universe.
Every living being or thing is part of this God life force.
No living thing can exist without God, since God is life itself.
Therefore, God is the life essence of the whole universe.

The grandeur of God is seen in the creation of every existing thing.
That is where God’s masterpiece is the creation of us human beings.
God loves us human beings because we act and are very much like him.
Since we are the top of all earthly life and God is at the top of everything.
But God’s greatest grandeur is shown in his mercy for us all human beings.
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LET US JUST IMAGINE, GOD:
If created things would speak for themselves what would they say about God?
When at night I look at the sky and at the stars, I would like to ask the stars;
Tell me you beautiful stars, who is God? Order those stars will answer me.
When in the gardens I see all these beautiful flowers, I would like to ask those flowers;
Tell me you beautiful flowers, who is God? Beauty those flowers will answer me.
If all living things and animals on earth were able to think, what would they say about God? They would say that God is life, since God has given life to them and to all human beings.
If I were able to meet the wise leaders of the world, I would like to ask those leaders;
Tell me you wise leaders of the world, who is God? I am sure that most of them will answer me: God is the active life-force that guides the whole universe; God is wisdom, God is order, God is beauty, God is life, and God is love; God loves every living thing because every living thing is a part of God Himself; but above all He loves us human beings because we re sample Him, and in his great love and mercy He will forgive us all our life sins, if only we would repent and ask Him forgiveness; because God loves us beyond any human understanding, since He is our Father and we are all his chosen children, whether we are rich or poor, whether we are healthy or sick, whether we are wise or stupid, whether we are young or old, whether we come from Africa, Asia or from anywhere in the world and our skin is different colour, we are all the same to God. Therefore, it would be right for us to assume that we are God’s children and that God loves all of us; but at the same time during our lives we have to learn what God has done for us in the past, so that we may be able to understand our own situation.
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The sacred book of the Bible, which is the book that many religions of the world have come from is full of many things, which God has done for us according to the writers of that time, and if we apply our intelligent minds and learn from it, we would be able to understand about the great love that God has for us, since God has send us many great people to guide the human race, from Moses to our Lord Jesus Christ.
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As we all know there are a few religions that have come from the teaching of the Bible, and I will try to comment on these religions later on. What I want to mention now is the fact that in his love for us, God has sent to us the Savour Our Lord Jesus Christ, who during his short life on earth has showed us by his own life example the way that we should live our own life, if we want to live our lives according to God The Father.
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Let me say this before we depart, we have to try to use the Bible teachings as much as we can, because there is no proof that what we are looking for is going to be the real thing, so this article about describe your God is just an article how you describe your God.
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Having done so much work at this meeting we all were feeling tired, I was thinking that we did not even mention anything about the last meeting, which ended while we were talking the very end of the Bible and what it meant: but anyhow we have done enough this third meeting, so I never said anything to my friends about that and went along with them, so we stopped our religious meeting and spend the rest of the time as friends usually do, having a drink together and chatting light enjoyable small talks.
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Tuesday, November 9, 2010

God sent task

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(Frank M. Version) Post 14
God sent task
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CHAPTER 2
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After a very long time and reflections about this God sent task that seems to be within my heart and soul all the time and never lets me go; I have come to the conclusion that perhaps I could never find peace within myself unless I fulfil my desire to write about these religious beliefs; so, I have decided to talk to my friends again, in the hope that they now may have come to see this God sent task in a more favourable way.
So I have called them to let them know that I would like to see them again on these religious subjects, that is whenever they have some spare time, I have been waiting for them for a while now, while I have been waiting I thought that it could be a good thing to write down the reasons why I started to write these religious writings.
Anyhow, while I was thinking about this God sent task, I became aware that one of the reasons why I want to do something about it was and is, that I see God somehow different from everybody else, now that I have said it, I need to explain what I think God may be like, in the hope that this explanation in this article may help me to explain myself better to my reader and to my friends and win their consent.
I suppose you may be asking yourself why this has happened to me, so, let me first inform you my dear readers the reason why I started to write these religious writings; well it was for my own personal reasons which I will explain to you better later on, I have started to write these religious writings as my personal prayer to Our Father God Most High, therefore, these writings are being written as my personal prayers to God Most High, which I pray from the bottom of my heart, my soul and my mind, I pray every day of my life, while I am happy and while I am sad and distressed. Therefore within these writings here will be lots of prayers: In some of these prayers I’ll be praying God for forgiveness in order to become purified, and therefore become worthy to become God’s servant and therefore to write God’s things; and then again in another prayer I’ll be invoking help from God so that I would be able to write my religious writings the proper way, and in some prayers I will be asking God to protect me from the forces of evil; because the force of evil may try to take me away from God’s life force, therefore it is important for me to beware the forces of evil and pray God to help me.
So, just now I am praying God to send me an angel from the realm of glory, who would suggest me how to write something about God’s Creation and the Creator Glory, so that I could be inspired and be able to continue to write my religious writings.
This is what came to my mind; I have to define who is God and what God is like and why we need religion and God?
I have to stop writing now, because I can hear somebody at the door, I can hear the voices of my friends, so they are here now. Let me go to meet them.
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The Meeting
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After greeting them and all other niceties that occur every time good friends meet, I, Mark and Gino set down and made ourselves comfortable, started to talk about the agenda of the meeting, and I asked them;
So, why you did not brink anybody else with you? Is it because any other friend does not want to take part in these religious talks?
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What is the matter with them? Perhaps they are really scared to do anything, because of that Revelation business? I know that for me it is different, because for me this is a God sent task that I want to achieve; But before I start talking about our future task, let me just go back for a moment to talk about our friend John and his Bible Revelation speech, I believe that at this point of time, we should really leave it behind all that scary stuff and we should talk about the future instead, because that is the only way to go, if we want to progress and find a solution for the future. One day we will come back to talk about scary Revelation OK, now let us continue our present God sent task.
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Anyhow, why are they scared about?
Don’t they see that we are talking only and nothing is happening?
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Anyhow that does not matter; perhaps we are better off without them if they worry too much about looking and talking about changes in religious matters.
Now tell me, what do people said when you have talked to them about God and religion lately?
Here Mark was ready to answer me; and this is what he said:
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Mark reply
Well, most of them are not interested about talking religious things, and those who are have expressed themselves in many different ways. So, for you to fulfil what you call, your God sent task is not going to be any easier? Anyhow let me tell you what I found:
(1) Some people believe in God and religion just the way it is, this portion of people do not want any change in religion, so they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays. It is no use to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs.
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(2) There is a portion of people that have doubts about nowadays religions, some of which don’t feel sure whether what is being thought about religion is all true, so, they are believers but with a little doubt in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people but they are not much help, if you want to find new ideas.
(2b) Right in the middle there is this large group of people, which believe in God and religions only up to a point, these people usually are full of all sorts of questions, as they would like to know more, in the hope that they can return to religion fully.
(2c) The extreme in this middle group is formed by those who believe very little in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t believe, one does not know what to do with this group, and yet they are the most interesting ones. That is all there is in this middle group.
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(3) Then there is this last group I would call the danger group for religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and religions, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are usually very intelligent and have a good job, so for them there are no worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of god and religion. Therefore, this well to do group starts putting forwards all sort of stories in order to blame religion for some of the bad things they have done in the past, but they don’t see that mankind have only to blame themselves, because no religion tells its believers to directly kill. Then there is also the fact that a few in this group are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so, they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief they may become the worst of mankind, as they don’t have any respect for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more but I think it is better that I stop here and see what you do think about it all. I only would like to add that what I have learned from all this enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well be important from now on, if we are talking about religious things;
Remember that;
Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.
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Very well said Mark! I said, and so did Gino at the same time.
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Then I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what mark had to say, what do you think of his speech? And what have you found out for yourself, it is your turn to speak.
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Gino speech:
If you hope that my report is better than Mark, you are mistaken and as Mark said your God sent task is not going to be easy.
So, I have to say that Mark and I agree on most of these religious things, so there is no point in repeating them, I only would like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists, as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, any believer should avoid to talk to any of them about religious matters, because soon or later they are inclined to ridicule your religious beliefs, they are usually good intelligent people, so it is hard for any religious people to defend themselves from this group.
They attack believers usually by asking proof of any religious matter, so Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from this group, Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk to get the believers off guard.
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You believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then god should be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.
Now, there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your god does not fix them? We say that your God most likely does not exist; or he is definitely not omnipotent, or he is not willing to fix anything, so your god is not your fatherly benevolent god that you say he is. Therefore your religious beliefs are flawed.
We say that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions are there only to control people, now since religions these days fight with each other and they have been fighting each other since the beginning of the known history of the world, it would have been better if religions did not exist at all?
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This sort of reasoning goes on with many gods attributes and they challenge the believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So it is hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any believers give proof about God?
And god omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and many other God attributes?
For the atheists God and religion is better it does not exist.
What can one do to change their attitude I don’t know?
I hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult report.
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Your speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do you think of Gino speech mark? His speech is very clear for me too; in fact it is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go from here I don’t Know?
OK. I suppose I need to say something myself now, so that I would be able to continue this God sent task.
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Monday, November 1, 2010

Religious discussions

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You, angels of the realm of glory,
You tell us about the eternal story,
You tell us about the creator's glory,
You tell us the wonders of God's creation.

( Frank M. version) Post 13
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RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS, (secondmeeting)
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As we have already written a post in this blog called, there is a time for everything, I am not going to repeat it here, and anybody wanting to read it just goes to, Frank M. version post 6.
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So now, let us go back to religious discussions, two weeks after the first meeting we had another meeting about Religious views, I was hoping that by now my friends Mark and Gino would bring good news, and that they would be more helpful by accepting my way of thinking, but it was not going to be my way. In fact I had written another prayer and I wanted to see what they thought about my new prayer, but I did not have the chance, therefore I still don’t know whether they will approve it or not, but anyhow let us go back to the meeting.
They came together with another friend called John, the aim of this meeting was to have some religious discussions, but my friends as soon as they saw me they grew serious and they didn’t seem to be happy and their usual self, as they are usually happy when we meet together, so, I guessed that I had given them a burden which at the present time at least seemed to upset them a bit.
So I asked them; what’s the matter my friends? Why aren’t your usual self happy? You seem very grave to me is there anything that is upsetting you my friends?
No, nothing is upsetting us accept the news that we are bringing you, (they said) which is not exactly what you would like to hear; you see we have been talking to a few people about what you would like to do, of course we did not tell them about your supernatural encounter, as we agreed with you that we should not talk about it with any outsiders yet, so, we talked only about what you have intention to do, like reviewing the Bible or something of that sort, the outcome of these talks left us concerned as there is no way to know what people think, so now we are even more concerned than when we started asking those questions, so, we are here to show you what we mean.
Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit upset about what they were still going to say to me, so, I tried to put them at ease.
Well, (I said) I thought that this outcome was likely to happen, because people usually don’t like to think for themselves difficult matters and religion is perhaps the most difficult of them all, so people keep doing and believing what they have been thought to do and believe, as this is for them the easy way out, but really I believe that for sure there must be another unexplored way and I for sure would like to find it out.
Tell me a bit more about this exploration of yours: Did most people give you negative comments about what I would like to do? Or, did they also have some positive comments? If they did both what percentage were they?
Well, they seem to be about half of them, so 50% could be the right figure. But this is not all, because some of them that didn’t like your idea come on very strong, so we thought that it would be good for you to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and really what he has been saying make sense to us.
Now if you agree we may hear what John has to say?
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OK I said bring in on; let John speak.
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John’s speech
Dear friends you know already why I am here.
As you all know I have been following up a few religions for a while, just to find out whether to be religious is the right thing to do, and if it were the way one should go, and also to see which one of these existing religions could be the right one for me?
As you all know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible in one way or another.
After having studied them I came to the conclusion that they are more or less the same, so, I dare say that perhaps the best thing for anybody is to stay with the religion your parents have thought you, but really it is up to you what you want to do.
Now, let me come to today task; Mark and Gino here have come to me and told me about what Fran (me) wants to do and as a believer I am concerned about it, so I am here to talk about these concerns of mine, in order to help you to make the right decision.
Recently in a religious group we had a discussion on Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations and other things expressed in Revelation, so they were looking for another way out that would be less demanding on humanity.
To cut a long story short one of the members who was there pointed out that we could do nothing about it, as the Bible itself says that it can’t be changed; so he took the Bible and read the very end of Revelation which says this and I quote:
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John took his Bible and read.
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REVELATION
EPILOGUE
22-16- I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.
17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.
18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;
19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.
20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.
21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.
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(End of quote from Bible)
This is also how, The Jerusalem Bible ends.
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Now, let me go back to the meeting with Mark, Gino and John:
When John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself why I was much concerned and wanted to let you know how I see these religious things.
Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say I feel better already, because the decision is yours if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do, or hear and heed the warning and stop just like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years.
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My answer to John:
I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you gave me; but you see, this is why we are having these religious discussions.
It looks like now that before I do anything I will have to learn a lot more about this warning you gave me and I will not rush into anything: but anyhow let me talk it over with Mark and Gino here to see what they think about it.
Then I turned to Gino and Mark and asked them: What do you think about this Bible warning? I would like to hear your opinion on this subject now.
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Mark’s reply:
Well, what John has brought up sounds very serious to me, and I dare say that perhaps you Fran have to moderate most of your ideology, so that it does not change anything that is said in the Bible, in a way that it contests the Bible scriptures; look Fran a lot of generations have gone past and they all have accepted the bible just the way it is, so I don’t know why you see it in a different way.
I would like to suggest that we study first the Bible a bit longer before you do anything about it; what do you say to my request? Would you agree to study the Bible with us for a while yet before you make any decision?

We all said yes to Mark’s questions saying, we agree with you that we need to study more before we do anything.
Then I added, but I would like to know also what Gino personally thinks about John’s warning and everything else? So, Gino tell us what you think about this present discussion? I am sure that you have your own way of seeing these religious things.
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Gino’s reply:
Well, I agree with Mark that we should really study the situation before we do anything; I want also to say that I was partly surprised about the way of John’s interpretation of the Bible, I think that there may be another meaning to this sinister warning. What makes me think this is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way it is said, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel sounds very harsh and he issues threatening warnings, he seems completely changed; So I say that there are several meanings in those writings, and I would say that we should investigate and proceed with caution.
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Me to Gino- Gino! What do you mean by proceed with caution?
Gino to me- What else can you do? You can’t rush things in a situation like this. You may have to read the Bible once or twice more from the beginning until the very end; or at least all the new Testament to find the meaning of what has been said, and then and only then, you may be in a position to decide what to do.
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Mark said- Fran, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do.
Then if it is God’s will that you have to write these religious writings, God will make sure that you will find enough time and also the right way how to do it?
Now, since we have already spent a great deal of time on these religious discussions, I suggest that we adjourn the meeting for another time. So, let us enjoy ourselves the usual way before we have to depart our own way, okay?
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Friday, October 22, 2010

Saint Mary of the Cross MacKillop

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Saint Mary of the Cross MacKillop

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Celebrating Canonisation in Rome

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Just for the record, this is a very special post for a very special person that has now become a Saint
In order to cover this special event I am posting this special post, even though you might find it disrupt my usual posting of my religious writings of Prayers of Reconciliation. Anyhow whatever you believe in and even if you are an atheist, religions are here to stay for a long time, just look at the grandeur of this religious service in Rome for Sainthood and you will understand why.
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A new documentary about the life of Mary MacKillop claims she was excommunicated from the Catholic Church partly as revenge for helping to expose a South Australian pedophile priest.
The documentary for the ABC's Compass program claims sisters in MacKillop's Josephite order of nuns attracted the ire of a South Australian priest for telling authorities that a Father Keating, of Kapunda, was molesting children at the local church school.
The sisters reported the abuse to the vicar-general and disciplinary action was taken against Keating, humiliating him and angering a Father Charles Horan, who was close to the bishop of Adelaide, Bishop Shiel, Fairfax newspapers say.
Horan is believed to have harboured a grudge against MacKillop and the whistleblowers in her order, and used his influence over the bishop to manipulate him into throwing the nun out of the church in 1871. Bishop Shiel reversed the excommunication on his deathbed.
Father Paul Gardiner, a Jesuit priest and the chief postulator for MacKillop's sainthood, told the documentary makers that Bishop Shiel was "gaga" when he excommunicated the woman soon to become Australia's first saint. "She submitted to a farcical ceremony where the bishop was, I'm not sure you should use this word, gaga, but he had lost it and he was being manipulated by malicious priests," he said.
Keating was sent back to Ireland where he continued as a priest, the documentary says.
This is the first time the link between a pedophilia cover-up and MacKillop's excommunication has been exposed, Fairfax says.
The documentary airs on October 10, a week before MacKillop's canonisation in Rome.
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One Australian Saint
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Video: Domus Australia in Rome will have a chapel dedicated to Mary Mackillop

One Australian Saint that everybody will be talking for a long time is here.
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Reported on the news
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The canonisation of Mary MacKillop has been hailed as a day of rejoicing for all Australians, and a very special day for the Sisters of St Joseph.
In front of a crowd of about 50,000 Catholics from around the world, the Aussie bush girl Mary MacKillop became Saint Mary of the Cross.
Australians were estimated to make up between 6000 and 8000 of the crowd for the ceremony to canonise six saints, and they let out a huge cheer every time Mary's name was spoken.
Australian and Aboriginal flags were dotted throughout the crowd, and the Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart - the order St Mary co-founded - stood out in their bright blue scarves, waving yellow Mary MacKillop balloons.
They were all there to see the canonisation of One Australian Saint.
Members of the official Australian delegation - including Cardinal George Pell, Sister Maria Casey, Sister Anne Derwin, Bishop Philip Wilson, Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop and Foreign Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd - addressed the media following the canonisation ceremony in St Peter's Square.
"This is a day of rejoicing and it's a day first of all for the Josephites - we rejoice for them, we rejoice with them," Cardinal Pell said.
"But it's also significant for the rest of us, as Australians and as Catholic Australians."
The Vatican estimated 50,000 people would be present in St Peter's Square for the occasion.
Cardinal Pell had his own way of summing up the impressive crowds.
"I thought the square was probably well and truly three-quarters full," he said.
"I thought it was a very respectable turnout. I was at the grand final of the AFL and it was a much bigger crowd than that."
Postulator Sister Maria Casey, who has worked hard for years to get Mary's sainthood recognised, said it had been a very emotional day for her.
"I felt very moved when the Holy Father actually spoke the words of the canonisation and I was able to look up at Mary looking down on us and out onto the square and I thought, `Mary, we've acknowledged you at last'," Sr Casey said.
"It was a very powerful day and a wonderful culmination for the many people who have worked on this cause since 1926. It's been a long journey.
"People say would I write my book but I say it could not be published yet."
Sr Casey said she had a discussion with the Pope, who remembered his visit to Australia for World Youth Day in 2008 with great fondness.
"He remembered very fondly his visit to Australia and being at Mary MacKillop's tomb," she said.
"He said it was a great day for Australia.
"He sends his greeting to all of Australia on this very happy occasion, and to the sisters also."
Mr Rudd said he felt humbled on hearing about the lives of the saints.
"As we listened to the life of Mary MacKillop and read the lives of those others who were canonised today, it gives you a genuine sense of smallness," he said.
"That is, that these are truly great people. It is a humbling experience."
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Saintly name for new school centre
A Hunter Valley Catholic school has become one of the first to honour Saint Mary MacKillop with a trade training centre named in her honour.
Construction of the million dollar facility at St Joseph's High School, Aberdeen commenced this week after a dedication ceremony and blessing of the construction site.
The centre, majority funded by the federal government, will cater for courses in metals and engineering, construction, primary industries and information technology.
St Joseph's principal, John Tobin, says the new facility will become a hub for schools and the community.
"Its certainly going to be a building that will be open for the wider community and other schools," Mr Tobin said.
"We're hoping that with the spirit of MacKillop, rolling up one's sleeves and hard work and dedication, that the facility will enable students of the Upper Hunter and even adults to go through training that otherwise would not have occurred without the trade training centre."
Maitland-Newcastle Diocese director of schools, Ray Collins, believes Saint Mary would approve of the centre because it fits with the philosophy of the Sisters of St Joseph.
"It is to give the students of the Upper Hunter the opportunity to develop their skills, to prepare them for the types of work they might want to undertake in their future," Mr Collins said
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"So in lots of ways we are continuing the role of Mary MacKillop in ensuring that our young people will make an impact in our society and make our world a better world."
The Saint Mary MacKillop trade training centre is scheduled to be ready for use early next year.
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Sunday, October 17, 2010

Our religious discussions

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OUR RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS
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AT OUR FIRST MEETING
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THIS IS MY PRAYER OF RECONCILIATION TO GOD.
(This prayer is designed for a Roman Catholic person, if you belong to another religious order; you need to adjust your prayer according to your beliefs).
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Yahweh, (Jehovah, Allah) Almighty and merciful Father, to you I turn Father-Most-High praying with all my heart, my soul and my mind earnestly; I am praying and hoping that in your mercy you would forgive me all my life sins, and that you would make me spiritually clean of any impurities that may affect my soul; so that, I would become worthy to pray and be heard and worthy in your eyes to be your humble servant and write these religious writings.
Father, hear my prayer and bless me! Amen.
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Our first meeting
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At ‘Our religious discussions’ first meeting my friends Mark, Gino and three other friends came as they had promised, at the beginning of this meeting we were all behaving just like children, we all wanted to push above all our own views of the subject without listening to each other, so I thought that the meeting was going to be just a waste of time. But then, my friend Mark soon became aware of my feelings and he said; Look the way we are going about is not going to get us anywhere, and since we are here to help Fran, then, let Fran be the one that talks first. After he states his views we will have plenty of time to state our own views.
So, there and then, I had to put my very mixed thoughts into words, and I didn’t even know how to start, as confusion was on my mind, not because I was really confused, but because what I wanted to say was so complex, just because what I was aiming to achieve in these future writings I had in mind was complex, but in the end I had to start, Our religious discussions going, so I said:
My dear friends, I can feel within my heart that you are my friends indeed, because you have come forward to help me on this very difficult decision that I am facing. Now let it be understood before we start that this task of mine is not going to be easy for anyone of us to achieve, so if you still want to help me to succeed in writing my religious theory, which in the end will also house that chapter which I will call, Reconciliation of the Universe, as I have already talked to you about, we need to start first of all to discuss how to go about it, I know it is going to be hard and I will tell you why it is going to be hard.
First of all, what I have in mind to write is going to be a very controversial subject, so there will be lots of people that are not going to agree with my views and if you are my helper they are not going to like you for helping me. So you better consider that for your self is that understood?
Having warned you that just by being my friend and talking about, our religious discussions, you may expose yourself to something which could bring some consequences, which could be pleasant or not pleasant depending on the people that we deal with.
Anyhow let me go back to our religious discussions and our unusual situation and try to reason what can be done about it. I believe that it really takes a few very wise people to be able to begin solving this problematic situation of our religious world nowadays, and whether this existing situation could and would be solved soon nobody knows. So this question arises; are we going to be wise enough to solve it?
So let me talk a little about Wisdom, which is something that has just come to my mind and we are going to need our wisdom so much, if we are going to get anywhere, so let me describe wisdom as I see it.
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My views about knowledge and wisdom:
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Wisdom is the mental capacity of a wise person, whom when confronted with a problem is able to solve it better than the average person, like now we are going to use it in our religious discussions.
His/her wisdom is usually an accumulated knowledge of all those events that this person has lived during his/her life; therefore this wise person is capable somehow of using this accumulated knowledge, and when a problem arises he/she would be able to solve it better than the others.
I don’t know exactly why one wise person becomes wiser than somebody else, even though they might have lived most of the same events together, so, I guess that some people are better able to assimilate their knowledge, perhaps by storing it at the highest level in their own mind and when the need arises use this accumulated knowledge.
Since wisdom (accumulated knowledge) may be stored at one level higher that just reason, it may seem and feel like a sixth sense to the wise man that has it. So, I would say that the wise man would use that portion of his reasoning mind just to back up his sixth sense wisdom.
There is also a small possibility that the wise person may be able to tune-up into the cosmos, which is thought that it might be able to store the entire accumulated knowledge of everything just like God, this thought of course gives rise to this question.
Is the cosmos an integral part of God of the universe? Well it may be part of God.
But here we are talking about wisdom and not God. So the definition of wisdom and where it comes from may still remain a mystery to most of us, but that does not matter because we can use wisdom our accumulated knowledge to achieve our goals, whether it comes from our normal mind function, or at the highest level in our own mind, or from the cosmos, which may well be part of God. To make it simple reasoning, we are going to use our accumulated knowledge, which together with our logic reasoning minds may be able to come close to achieve our goal that we want to achieve in our religious discussions.
This wisdom that we are talking about most of us has some. Therefore now, just by using my part of wisdom my mind tells me that the time has come for us to do something about it, I can see things changing continuously in this world, so I am led to believe that there is a time for everything and let me state it clearly, so that we may understand better the situation and talk about why there is a time for everything; I am going to continue talking to you and after that you can have your say.
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Born from the need of circumstances

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From Prayers of Reconciliation
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BORN FROM THE NEED OF CIRCUMSTANCES
What follows here now has been born from the need of circumstances, so, let me inform you my dear reader that for a long time I kept this supernatural happening to myself, because when these unusual things happen and you tell someone they think you are going crazy. Therefore I had to think it over many times whether I should tell anyone about this supernatural and unbelievable happening, because what I saw and heard then could only make sense to myself and nobody else, because I was the only person in the world that knew what was going on, but in the end I came to the conclusion that I had to tell at least my most trusted friends, just to see what they thought and what their reaction would be to this frightening happening, and find out what they would advice me to do about this personal and supernatural happening of mine.
Therefore, what I was going to tell them was that I wanted to talk to them because the whole issue was born from the need of circumstances, as I was finding myself in a difficult situation. Anyhow after telling them what had happened to me, and also that I was writing an article that I was calling, Reconciliation of the Universe. This article was written mostly for me, as I wanted to see if I could come up with a way that would help to make religious extremists understand that we all come from the same God. After I told my friends this they were speechless for a little while, as they didn’t believe themselves what they had heard from me, perhaps they were thinking that I was half crazy, because what I was telling them seemed unreal and only a mad man could say such things, therefore they had to think first what to say to me, as they seemed very concerned about my mental health.
After talking it over by themselves for a while, they came to me asking all sorts of questions which seemed to test my mental capacity to the limits, they were worried about me and they said so, they were worried because what I had said to them didn’t make sense; but after asking all those questions and satisfying themselves that my mental health was good enough they consulted again.
After consulting again among themselves for a while they came back to me and said;
If you really believe in what you have seen and heard to be true, and you have not dreamed it or invented it, but really it has happened to you, then, we believe you no more questions about that.
Now, from what you have said this question arises; what are we supposed to do about this supernatural happening of yours? There is no real clear answer to this question, perhaps one could say that, you would be bound to do something about it, and indeed it would be your duty as a good citizen to let the world know about this supernatural unbelievable happening; you see these things may have happened to you for a reason.
While we are saying this to you and encourage you to do something about it, we are also a bit worried whether it is the only way to go, so it is up to you and how strongly you feel about this.
I said to them, what has happened and what I am going to do is born from the need of circumstances, because I feel it within me that I have to do something about it. But, you see, for me it would not be easy to tell the world of this happening and make the world believe that it had really happened to me and that I am sane and not crazy. Have you seen how long it has taken me to convince all of you? I feel that the world at large may not accept my story easily ether, and beside that, I am not a good writer and what I need to tell them would be hard to explain even for a good writer.
My friends consulted among themselves for a long while, I think they were still worried about my mental health because what I had told them didn’t make completely sense to them, so, they were doing this just to keep an eye on me, and they were looking for a solution that they would be able to keep an eye on me every now and then, finally they came back to offer me this solution, and Mark one of them said to me:
Fran, (that is the name that they have always called me) we know that for you would be very hard to write all these things that we have talked about, but we believe that it would be a good thing if they are written anyhow, so that this knowledge that came to you from the other side is now lost.
Now, because you don’t seem to feel sure about yourself, we, (that is me and Gino here) are ready to help you in any way possible, as we feel within our hearts that you need some help to encourage you to write those writings and we are here to help you.
Then my lifelong friend Mark said to Gino: Would you be ready to help Fran, Gino?
And Gino said yes.
Now you know why I feel that this article has been born from the need of circumstances.
This is how I accepted to write these religious writings with the help of my friends; whether my friends want really to help me or to keep an eye on me I do not know.
Anyhow now, I am going to call on my friends to have a good talk about these writings.
Before I call this meeting with Mark and Gino, let me say a prayer of reconciliation to Our Heavenly Father, so that I would become inspired and worthy to write these religious writings, I hope to write them with the help of my friends of course. This prayer is how next post will start.
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