Friday, December 18, 2009

Religious Reconciliation Doc, Chapter 2

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As the owner and author of this blog called, Religious Reconciliation Doc, I would like to expand it and include also my writings of, Prayers of Reconciliation, since both subjects are of the same nature of the blog. So from now on they will be posted here.

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Chapter 2 of Prayers of Reconciliation


Angles of the realm of glory,
You tell for ever the eternal story,
You sing about the Creator glory,
You tell the wonders of God’s creation.
After a very long time and reflections about this God sent task that seems to be within me all the time and never lets me go; I have come to the conclusion that perhaps I could never find peace within myself unless I fulfill my desire to write about these religious beliefs, so, I have decided to talk to my friends again, in the hope that they now may have come to see my task in a more favorable way.
So I called them to let them know that I would like to see them again on this religious subject whenever they have spare time, I have been waiting for them for a while now, while I have been waiting I thought that it could be a good thing to write down the reasons why I started to write these religious writings.
Then I started to think that one of the reasons was/is, that I see God somehow different from everybody else, now that I have said it, I need to explain what I think God may be like, in the hope that the explaining of this article may help me to explain myself better to my reader and to friends and win their consent.
I suppose you may be asking yourself why this has happened to me, so, let me first inform you my dear readers the reason why I started to write these religious writings; well it was for my own personal reasons which I will explain to you better later on, I have started to write these religious writings as my personal prayer to Our Father God Most High, therefore, these writings are being written as my personal prayers to God Most High, which I pray from the bottom of my heart, my soul and my mind, I pray every day of my life, while I am happy and while I am sad and distressed. Therefore within these writings here will be lots of prayers: In some of these prayers I’ll be praying God for forgiveness in order to become purified, and therefore become worthy to become God’s servant and therefore to write God’s things; and then again in another prayer I’ll be invoking help from God so that I would be able to write my religious writings the proper way, and in some prayers I will be asking God to protect me from the forces of evil; because the force of evil may try to take me away from God’s life force, therefore it is important for me to beware the forces of evil and pray God to help me.
So, just now I am praying God to send me an angel from the realm of glory, who would suggest me how to write something about God’s Creation and the Creator Glory, so that I could be inspired and be able to continue to write my religious writings.
This is what came to my mind; I have to define who is God and what God is like and why we need religion and God?
I have to stop writing now, because I can hear somebody at the door, I can hear the voices of my friends, so they are here now.

Third Meeting
After greeting and all other niceties that occur every time good friends meet, I Mark and Gino made ourselves comfortable and started to talk about the agenda of the meeting, and I asked them;
So, you have come just the two of you because any other friend does not want to take part in these religious talks?
What is the matter with them?
Don’t they see that we are talking only and nothing is happening?
Anyhow that does not matter; perhaps we are better off without them if they worry too much about changing religious things.
Now tell me, what do people said when you have talked to them about God and religion lately?
Here Mark was ready to answer me; and this is what he said:

Mark reply
Well, most of them are not interested about talking religious things, and those who are have expressed themselves in very different ways:
(1) Some people believe in God and religion just the way it is, this portion of people don’t want any change in religion, so they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays. It is no use to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs.

(2) There is a portion of people that have doubts about nowadays religions, some of which don’t feel sure whether what is being thought about religion is all true, so, they are believers but with a little doubt in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people but they are not much help, if you want to find new ideas.
(2b) Right in the middle there is this large group of people, which believe in God and religions only up to a point, these people usually are full of all sorts of questions, as they would like to know more, in the hope that they can return to religion fully.
(2c) The extreme in this middle group is formed by those who believe very little in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t believe, one does not know what to do with this group, and yet they are the most interesting ones. That is all there is in this middle group.

(3) This last group I call the danger group for religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and religions, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are usually very intelligent and have a good job, so for them there are no worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of god and religion. Therefore, this well to do group starts putting forwards all sort of stories in order to blame religion for some of the bad things they have done in the past, but they don’t see that mankind have only to blame themselves, because no religion tells its believers to directly kill. Then there is also the fact that a few in this group are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so, they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief they may become the worst of mankind, as they don’t have any respect for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more but I think it is better that I stop here and see what you do think about it all. I only would like to add that what I have learned from all this enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well be important from now on, if we are talking religious things;
Remember that;
Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.

Very well said Mark! I said, and so did Gino at the same time.

Then I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what mark had to say, what do you think of his speech? And what have you found out for yourself, it is your turn to speak.

Gino speech:
I have to say that Mark and I agree on most of these religious things, so there is no point in repeating them, I only would like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists, as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, any believer should avoid to talk to any of them about religious matters, because soon or later they are inclined to ridicule your religious beliefs, they are usually good intelligent people, so it is hard for any religious people to defend themselves from this group.
They attack believers usually by asking proof of any religious matter, so Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from this group, Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk to get the believers off guard.

You believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then god should be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.
Now, there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your god does not fix them? We say that your God most likely does not exist; or he is definitely not omnipotent, or he is not willing to fix anything, so your god is not your fatherly benevolent god that you say he is. Therefore your religious beliefs are flawed.
We say that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions are there only to control people, now since religions fight with each others, it would have been better if religions did not exist.

This sort of reasoning goes on with many gods attributes and they challenge the believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So it is hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any believers give proof about God?
And god omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and many other God attributes?
For the atheists God and religion is better it does not exist.
What can one do to change their attitude I don’t know?
I hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult report.

Your speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do you think of Gino speech mark? His speech is very clear for me too; in fact it is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go from here I don’t Know?
O.K. I suppose I need to say something myself now.

And this is what I said: Mark and Gino, now that you have seen for yourselves what religious people think and what atheist think, I am sure that you might start thinking more like me, which is that something needs to be done to help religions find a way of complete peaceful existence.
To achieve complete peaceful existence is not easy the way religions are today, therefore, I believe that religions need to be reviewed and bought in line with the present times; but nobody wants to listen to my approach, so there is not much that one can do presently; but one can always start thinking about the possibilities, if one day something can be done to solve this religious problem.
The only way that this can be achieved is to come up with a theory, which allows the existence of religions as they are; but at the same time finds a way and shows it clearly to the people that all religions are a link of the same chain. I know this is not as simple as it sounds, but if we keep looking we will find the way.
I have found that there was a philosopher called, Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not be just the way that religions want you to believe nowadays; but it could be that God was more like Mother Nature therefore it is more likely that we all are part of God and God is everything or at least every living thing in existence.
Now if God could not be exactly how we believe god is like; then it may well be that God is more like what Spinoza believed god was like, this may very well be the link that we need to find in order to link all existing religions together.
Then if we think a bit like Spinoza and add to knowledge which we have today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all religions together.
So, let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for all; which we could call God-Most-High.
My friends Mark and Gino said; yes let us make a list of how god could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to Spinoza thinking about, what is God?
Well I said; a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so I have already written something about, what is God? So here is what I wrote:


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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Vatican music and hymns


Before I write this blog I need to explain to the readers that all religions would be welcomed to have their say in the blog; even though what is being written here now is really a Roman Catholic blog.
Since by posting a blog that blog is available to the whole world, I believe that I have to explain to the public what is being written here, so that non Roman Catholic or non Christian religions may have some understanding of this beliefs.
This blog is about the virgin Mary; Now to give the public the most simple explanation is this: Mary is the mother of Jesus, Jesus Christ is the only human being that may indeed have come straight from the life-force of the living God of the universe, so through Jesus Mary becomes the link that links humanity to God.
To understand the whole concept in a human way is this: there is no human being on earth that has never asked help from their mothers, so all humanity has this unbreakable link to mothers, and therefore, it follows that whenever one needs help the word mother is the first to come to mind, as mothers are more approachable than anybody else, don't you agree?
Within this post hereunder there are links of music and hymns dedicated to the virgin Mary; enjoy the music from the Vatican.

No one can deny their own mother and the virgin Mary represents the mother for all of us.

Click on the links below and enjoy Music and Hymns from the Vatican, where even the pope takes part.””

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Wednesday, December 2, 2009

Prayers of Reconciliation 2


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This is the continuation of previous posts including the first meeting:

Angles of the realm of glory,
You tell for ever the eternal story,
You sing about the Creator glory,
You tell the wonders of God’s creation.

We all sing glory to God Most High.
God’s heavenly angles say in the sky.
They sing for God their lullabies.
They sing glory to God Most High.
Glo-o-o-o-o o-o-o-o-o o-o-o-o-o o-o-ria
In ex-cel-sis De----------o.


Two weeks after the first meeting we had another meeting, I was hoping that by now my friends Mark and Gino would bring good news, and that they would be more helpful by accepting my way of thinking, but it was not going to be my way. In fact I wanted to submit my prayer above, but I didn’t have the chance, therefore I still don’t know whether they will approve it or not, but anyhow let us go back to the meeting.
They came together with another friend called John, but as soon as they saw me they grew serious and they didn’t seem to be their usual self, as they are usually happy when we meet together, so, I guessed that I had given them a burden which at the present time seemed to upset them a bit.
So I asked them; what’s the matter my friends? Why aren’t your usual self happy? You seem very grave to me is there anything that is upsetting you my friends?
No, nothing is upsetting us accept the news that we are bringing you, (they said) which is not exactly what you would like to hear, you see we have been talking to a few people about what you would like to do, we did not tell them about your supernatural encounter, as we agreed with you that we should not talk about it with outsiders, so, we talked only about what you have intention to do, like reviewing the Bible or something of that sort, the outcome of these talks left us concerned as there is no way to know what people think, so now we are even more concerned than when we started asking those questions, so, we are here to show you what we mean.

Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit upset about what they were still going to say to me, so, I tried to put them at ease.
Well, (I said) I thought that this outcome was likely to happen, because people usually don’t like to think for themselves difficult matters and religion is perhaps the most difficult of them all, so people keep doing and believing what they have been thought to do and believe, as this is for them the easy way out, but really I believe that for sure there is another unexplored way and I would like to find it out.
Tell me a bit more about this exploration of yours: Did most people give you negative comments about what I would like to do? Or, did they also have some positive comments? If they did both what percentage were they?

Well, they seem to be about half of them, so 50% could be the right figure. But this is not all, because some of them that didn’t like your idea come on very strong, so we thought that it would be good for you to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and really what he has been saying make sense to us.
Now if you agree we may hear what John has to say?
OK I said let John speak.
And this is what John said.

John’s speech
Dear friends you know already why I am here.
As you all know I have been following up a few religions for a while, just to find out whether to be religious is the right thing to do, and if it were the way to go, which one of these existing religions could be the right one for me?
As you all know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible in one way or another.
After having studied them I came to the conclusion that they are more or less the same, so, I dare say that perhaps the best thing for anybody is to stay with the religion your parents have thought you, but really it is up to you what you want to do.

Now, let me come to today task; Mark and Gino here have come to me and told me about what Fran (me) wants to do and as a believer I am concerned about it, so I am here to talk about these concerns of mine, in order to help you to make the right decision.
Recently in a religious group we had a discussion on Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations and other things expressed in Revelation, so they were looking for another way out that would be less demanding on humanity.
To cut a long story short one of the members who was there pointed out that we could do nothing about it, as the Bible itself says that it can’t be changed; so he took the Bible and read the very end of Revelation which says this and I quote:
John took his Bible and read.

22-16- I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.
17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.
18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;
19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.
20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.
21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.

(End of quote from Bible)
This is how, The Jerusalem Bible, ends.

Now, let me go back to the meeting with Mark, Gino and John:
When John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself why I was much concerned and wanted to let you know how I see these religious things.
Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say I feel better already, because the decision is yours if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do, or hear and heed the warning and stop just like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years.

My answer to John:
I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you gave me.
It looks like now that before I do anything I will have to learn a lot more about this warning you gave me and I will not rush into anything: but anyhow let me talk it over with Mark and Gino here to see what they think about it.
Then I turned to Gino and Mark and asked them: What do you think about this Bible warning? I would like to hear your opinion on this subject now.

Mark’s reply:
Well, what John has brought up sounds very serious to me, and I dare say that perhaps you Fran have to moderate most of your ideology, so that it does not change anything that is said in the Bible, in a way that it contests the Bible scriptures; look Fran a lot of generations have gone past and they all have accepted the bible just the way it is, so I don’t know why you see it in a different way.
I would like to suggest that we study first the Bible a bit longer before you do anything about it; what do you say to my request? Would you agree to study the Bible with us for a while yet before you make any decision?

We all said yes to Mark’s questions saying, we agree with you that we need to study more before we do anything.
Then I added, but I would like to know also what Gino personally thinks about John’s warning and everything else? So, Gino tell us what you think about this present discussion? I am sure that you have your own way of seeing these religious things.

Gino’s reply:
Well, I agree with Mark that we should really study the situation before we do anything; I want also to say that I was partly surprised about the way of John’s interpretation of the Bible, I think that there may be another meaning to this sinister warning. What makes me think this is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way it is said, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel sounds very harsh and he issues threatening warnings, he seems completely changed; So I say that there are several meanings in those writings, and I would say that we should investigate and proceed with caution.

Me to Gino- Gino! What do you mean by proceed with caution?

Gino to me- What else can you do? You can’t rush things in a situation like this. You may have to read the Bible once or twice more from the beginning until the very end; or at least all the new Testament to find the meaning of what has been said, and then and only then, you may be in a position to decide what to do.

Mark said- Fran, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do.
Then if it is God’s will that you have to write these religious writings, God will make sure that you will find enough time and also the right way how to do it?
Now, since we have already spent a great deal of time on this religious task, I suggest that we adjourn the meeting for another time. So, let us enjoy ourselves the usual way before we have to depart our own way, okay?

This is how our last meeting ended:
Today I am still wondering which way to go, so, to anyone who reads these writings I would appreciate very much if you comment on them.
Especially comments about how the Bible ends, since this could help me decide which way I should proceed?


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