Religious discussins 26

Reconciliation talks

Religious discussions

Welcome to our hub (26) Religious discussions
May God guide and help me to say the right religious things?
We have reasons to believe that, we need to discuss and reconcile things, sometimes even those things that have been for a long time accepted from humanity need to be looked at and reconciled and that includes also religions, even if some of us don't like that idea, because usually religious people want to believe in the same old things all the time.

This is the beginning of part 2 of our Prayers for reconciliation; but we would like call it Prayers and discussions since we will be discussing religious issues.
Dear readers, in these religious writings of Prayers and discussions, being also part of Prayers for reconciliation as we have said, we are going to talk about religions in general terms, the aim of these discussions is that we would like to reconcile that part of religion that doesn’t seem to agree with today religious views, as we have already mentioned in part one; but before we start discussing let me write a prayer to God, asking God to help me to write these religious articles;
Almighty Father, I am praying you with all my heart, my soul and my mind hoping that in your mercy you would forgive me all my life sins and you would make me clean of any impurities that may affect my soul, so that I would become worthy to write these religious writings according to your will. Father, hear my prayer, amen.
Now, let us go back to our discussions; it is obvious that if we want to reconcile anything at all and reach any sort of reconciliation we need to discuss our differences and this is what this religious discussions in part 2 is all about. We would also want to point out that our discussions here are about our own religious beliefs and our aim is about modifying existing religions, because we see that they need to be modified do, so, we would like to modify existing religions in such a way that they may remain helpful to all humanity. We know that this is not going to be easy and it is going to alarm most religious people as it is a controversial subject about their religious beliefs, and for this reason we are going to repeat this article that has been written for our readers’ peace of mind, just once more in this part:
For our readers’ peace of mind
To anyone who is a believer and believes in God and other religious beliefs, we say, please read our Prayers for Reconciliation writings fully before you pass judgment and quit reading; you see Prayers for Reconciliation is only a new idealistic theory, which through discussions with other fellow believer (and perhaps non-believers) is trying to find a way on how to link all existing religions together; therefore our religious beliefs and the existing religions may remain as close as possible to the ways they are today. So, don’t you worry if our religious writings could sometime sound different from the ways that we usually hear religions being preached in the churches and other places of worship, because you don’t have to worry about it, as it will all be explained as you read all our religious writings, and then, you can judge for yourself at the end of our religious writings of Prayers for reconciliation and our new set up of religious beliefs as suggested in Reconciliation of the Universe.
Anyhow, now let me pray God to guide and help me, before we start our discussions;
Almighty and merciful Father, with my personal concerns I come to you praying, with all my heart, my soul and my mind, hoping that in your mercy You would guide and help me to write this second part of Prayer for reconciliation, I ask this in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Father, hear my prayer, amen.

Religious discussions

These are our religious discussions or reviews; may God help me say the right things?
When we look at the religious world of today, we see that not everything works the way it should work, therefore we have reasons to believe that we (the people of this world) need to discuss and review religions, because that would be the right way to go about, since we believe that this needs to be done for the benefit of all humanity, therefore we have a duty to do it anyhow. But, first of all let us see the most important articles that we have already written in part one and if we can state also the reasons why we have written them, in the hope that we would be able to bridge part one with our final part three, Reconciliation of the universe; we would like to do that hoping that we would be able to continue in the right direction.
Now, the most important articles that we have already written deal about religions and religious beliefs, perhaps the reasons that they have been written was because of the extremist groups that use religious beliefs in such twisted ways, in order to get their own believers to do terrible things, like the 9-11 terrorist attack and other things that are just as bad; but that is not all, because today while I am editing this article the Islamic State terrorist group are killing innocent people, just because they don’t belong to their religious group; but there is more, we have also written them because of the atheists threats that want religions to disappear.
So, these religious articles are being written first of all to find a way how to avoid or minimize the terrorist threat, for this reason we are thinking that some religious changes are required, since the terrorist groups are very active these days; for this reason today the atheist group is in second place, as the atheist threat is not as dangerous as the extremist groups. Anyhow, in order to reply to these atheist’s non beliefs of God and religions and also to see if we could find anything that could help us to find a way of how to stop the extremist movement killing innocent people, we have written a few articles about some religious subjects, one of this subject is about the existence of God, in the hope that the atheist see what we mean by that and moderate their attack on religions.
Anyhow, in order to prove to the atheists that God exists, we have written hub 3, Man needs God where we claim that God exists at least by definition, but, then we see that there must be more than just definition and so we kept writing about other explanations including this article of Man needs God because it has been so for centuries, or since the beginning when man became able to think abstract things, so, they started to invent many gods as we know from the world history and many other things.
Now let us talk about God and how we see God today, we believe that perhaps God may be different to the God described in the Bible and so we have formulated a new sort of theory hoping to find a way to describe this new living God, who can be just about anything that bears life energy capable of helping life to exist. You can check this hub out with this link herewith: Man needs God, 3, we are going to say a lot more about this new form of God in our last part, Reconciliation of the universe.
We have also written religion of the future, where we explain the needs for a new form of religion. This is the link if you want to check it out. Religions of the future, 4, in this hub we start saying that some religious changes need to happen soon or later, so let us start thinking about these coming changes.
Then of course we have published Prayers for Reconciliation, which is really the main theme of this religious writings, here is the link to check it out, Prayers for Reconciliation, 5 and we have also had some discussions with our friends and members of the public about religions, with this in mind now we are going to write some religious views.

Religious writing views

These are other religious writing activities and views
These religious articles are being written to describe a new way of religious beliefs, which could help to improve religious cooperation of the existing religions, it could also help by making religions more acceptable to the atheists as well; this could be achieved because we believe that God might be different to the God described in the Bible, and for this reason we have formulated a new sort of theory, therefore now we would like to find a way on how to describe this new living God, who could just be about anything that bears life energy. Therefore now we are looking for ways how to explain what we have said; but above all we would like to take our readers step by step to see how we arrived at this conclusion, so this entire part two of Prayers and discussions has been written to show you how we arrived at this conclusion and the reasons why we are doing this.
Now, apart what we have written above, we have also written and republished or edited many others religious hubs, we have had some friendly discussions with our friends about religions, and from these discussions and other point of views we have come to the conclusion that to make sense in a modern way about religions, one should really start to review all existing religions and find if there are other meanings why religious books have been written the way they have been written, and why religious leaders interpret religions the way they do?
 At this point this question arise; if religious leaders interpret religion the way they do today, is it just because their forbears have taught them to believe in religions this way? Or is it not? So, the main aim in reconciliation part two of this religious forum will be to review those religious beliefs and meanings, in the hope that we would come up with some explanations that would help us understand the religious situation better, and in doing so, perhaps we would be able to put forward those hidden meanings that we find wrong in religions today, we should be able to do that without being scared of changing the accepted meanings of today religions.
In order to do what we have just said above, we need to start from the very beginning with all sorts of religions. Now, in this case, because my friends and I are Roman Catholic and therefore this is the religion that we know most, we should be looking at the Bible and what it teaches us first of all, if we are going to be able to achieve anything at all, after all Christianity, the Roman Catholic and the Bible are the religions that the non believers atheists attack most of the time, in the hope that they can prove that there is no God and therefore all religions are all human fantasy. We believe that because there is a large enough number of exaggerated interpretations of certain meanings in the Bible, the atheists is finding it easy to attack our religions, so, there is a need to change those interpretations, and in other words, we might need to modify religious interpretations in such a way that they become more acceptable to most of us, when we use common sense.
Having said that I start thinking what might be the most important issue that needs to be looked at, and suddenly it comes to my mind the first thing that the atheists attack religious people, is about creation, as atheists do not believe that God created anything as said in the Bible; they believe that whatever exists today has been created just from natural forces, so, God has nothing to do with creation, because God and its creation is all a human invention. Now I want to say that we are not able to prove to the atheists beyond any doubts that God exists, so the next best thing that we can do is to adjust religious meanings in such a way that they might partly make sense to the atheists as well, and therefore minimize their attacks on plain religious people.
Having said that, what I would like to do next is that I would like to call on my religious friends and have a good talk about this religious subject, you know sometimes my friends have a very good understanding of the situation and their input is much appreciated, so let me organize a meeting, with the intention of talking about religions.

Meeting with our religious friends

The other day the meeting that I have organized took place. So, I have met our friends and talked about the religious subjects that we have been talking about above, I have to say that on certain religious aspect they seem to go past my own ways of dealing with the situation, at least some of their speeches seemed to point that way, so, let us hear what Mark had to say first.
Mark speech in a nutshell,
If we want to find hidden meanings in the Bible and see why the Bible has been written the way it has been written, and also we understand the Bible the way we have been taught to understand it, then, we have really to start from the very beginning and use our logic reasoning minds to see if what we have been taught stands up to logic human reasoning; therefore, if and when it does stand up to our logic human reasoning as we believed it would, we have to try to understand what were the reasons, and then we can decide how to proceed.
So, let me tell you how I see these religious things: In my opinion I feel that in those times when the bible was written the way the Bible was written, it would have made sense to the believer of those times; you see people have always needed religions and a God that could be able to protect them from what they themselves would not be able to protect themselves, so this God that was shown to be superior to the other existing gods of those times was needed and welcomed from the believers, after all the Israelite needed this God to free them from the Egyptian, so Moses their leader provided just that God when he went on Mount Sinai and met Yahweh (God) as a burning bush, from there we know the rest of the Jews story, the story that for thousands of years has gone on and has become the largest religion in the world; this religion was started with Moses on Mount Sinai, and now it has taken over most of the religious world.
Here I would like to point out that this religion has done a lot, and has guided lots of people in a meaningful way and it has lasted until today, I have said it has lasted until today because we don’t know what is going to happen in the future. Because as you all know today there are some people that do not need religions anymore, since time have changed and that feeling of danger from the unknown is not constantly present as it was in the past. So, some people like the atheists feel safe and feel that they can survive by themselves, so, they would like to see religions disappear, and who knows it might even happen in the far away future, we can never know.
Now let me say how I see religions today: Today we have to view religions in two different ways; the negative part of religion exists because some of the Muslim religions are becoming terrorists, these would be religious terrorist groups are a real threat to everybody including religions themselves, so we have to hope that somehow they will end soon, before something really bad happens on a large scale.
However, I have to say that my personal views are that most people still need religions just the way they are today, you see; we have always needed religions even if the atheists believe that we do not need them now? But, really how could we just let religions disappear? I believe that it could not and would never happen.
We need to look at today religious set up as a way of life that has been proven for centuries to work well with people; therefore people could not and would not accept any religious changes easily. If we can work out what can be done to change some religious beliefs without upsetting the whole system, then maybe we would be able to move to the next religious system, which very likely is inevitable: I am saying it is inevitable because everything changes with time and also religions change; one has to look in the past to see that two thousand years ago people had different religions. I suppose I can say many other things about religions, but I suppose I have to let our other friends have a say if they so wish, so, that is all from me for the time being.

Our views and more speeches

When Mark stopped talking; I, Gino and another two of our friends that were interested in these religious talks said that we understood what he had said. But at the same time I and perhaps Gino thought that really there was a need to say more, in order to have some idea where we were going to go in a religious way. There and then we knew that Mark did not go far enough to say that we needed a sort of religious review. So I asked Gino to say something himself, very well knowing that sometimes Gino is very crafty in his ideas.
Now before I write down what Gino had to say, I want to inform our readers that in this religious writings, we will try to keep speakers to a minimum, so, I, Mark and Gino will usually speak for all our friends that are interested in these religious talks, I believe that it could be easier for everybody to understand what is going on.
Gino speech
I know that our friend Mark has said many wise things that make sense, but what he said stops short of giving us a solution about reviewing the Bible and any other religious books, indeed it is hard for any of us to find a solution for these religious problems, therefore I believe that a straight way cannot be found, so, we may have to find another way around that might not upset religious people and at the same time suggests something about what is happening, or what may be going to happen in the future to religions, because of these present situations about the atheists and also the extremist groups, as Mark has pointed out. So, the only thing that I can suggest is that we can indeed review the Bible interpretation, but we have to be very careful, and therefore make sure that everything is written in such a way that is all seen as a suggestion of the possible present situation. It needs to be written mostly in a conditional way with plenty of ifs and maybes, so that the readers can make their own minds up as they go along; we also need to remind the readers that what is being written are only suggestions, so only time will tell what is going to happen to religions in the future.
Well that is how I see this situation and what we might be able to do about it today; this is the main thing I wanted to say to you, now you can make up your own mind.
Gino stopped talking and we said, your idea sounds good perhaps we should indeed try to review the Bible and any other religious books soon when we meet again. After that we started to have some other friendly talks that are not important to mention here.
I believe that we have said enough in this article, so, see you in our next article about, Bible reviews are necessary, after all we also want to study all sorts of religions.
May God help us to understand this religious situation?
May God bless us all?

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