Wednesday, November 24, 2010

Describe your God

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You, angels of the realm of glory
You tell us about the eternal story
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You tell us the wonders of God's creation.
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My speech (Fran)
And this is what I said:
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I believe that every one of us may believe in God, but we all believe in a slightly different ways, so it could be useful if we discuss about God and call this post Describe your God.
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Anyhow, Mark and Gino, now that you have seen for yourselves what religious people think and what atheist think, I am sure that you might start thinking more like me, which is that something needs to be done to help religions find a way of complete peaceful co-existence.
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To achieve complete peaceful co-existence is not easy the way religions are today, therefore, I believe that religions need to be reviewed and bought in line with the present times; but nobody wants to listen to my approach, or to anybody else that thinks like me? So, there is not much that one can do presently; but one can always start thinking about the possibilities, if one day something can be done to solve this religious problem.
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The only way that this can be achieved is to come up with a theory, which allows the existence of religions as they are; but at the same time finds a way and shows it clearly to the people that all religions are a link of the same chain. I know this is not as simple as it sounds, but if we keep looking we will find the way. So, I am going to ask you to describe your God?
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Talking for myself, I have found that there was a philosopher called, Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not be just the way that religions want you to believe nowadays; but it could be that God was more like Mother Nature therefore it is more likely that we all are part of God and God is everything or at least every living thing in existence. -
Now if God could not be exactly how we believe god is like; then it may well be that God is more like what Spinoza believed god was like, this may very well be the link that we need to find in order to link all existing religions together.
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Then if we think a bit like Spinoza and add to knowledge which we have today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all religions together.
So, let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for all; which we could call God-Most-High.
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My friends Mark and Gino said; yes let us make a list of how god could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to Spinoza thinking about, what is God?
Well I said; a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so I have already written something about, what is God? So here is what I wrote and I think that it answers the question, Describe your God?
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What is God?

God-Most-High is the unseen life force of the whole universe.
The unseen cosmos and God is one and the same thing.
God uses this cosmos to communicate with everything.
So, throughout the unseen cosmos of the whole universe,
God-Life-Force continually gives life to every living thing.
The cosmos radiates God’s medium for every living thing,
And God hopes that through it man would follow Him.
So, happy should be those who are able to follow Him.
For those who do, God has promised them eternal life.
So, follow God’s rules and you will save yourself forever.
But if you don’t; you would not find your way to salvation.
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At this point my friends were astonished and were reflecting what I had written, and then they said; Fran, this god you are talking about could indeed overcome most if not all obstacles, which nowadays exist in religions. Of course that can only happen if religions are willing to accept this new way of seeing god, and also are ready to change a little bit, so, we think that you really have been able to describe your God.
But now we are wondering how we could describe this god and say who is God, not just what is God?
We are willing to help while we are here.
Then, we started to work together on the definitions below, hoping that we would be able to explain who is God? Or at least try to explain who is God?
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WHO IS GOD?
So, let me briefly describe the grandeur of God of the Universe.
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There is only one true existing God throughout the universe.
This God is the positive active life-force of the whole universe.
Every living being or thing is part of this God life force.
No living thing can exist without God, since God is life itself.
Therefore, God is the life essence of the whole universe.

The grandeur of God is seen in the creation of every existing thing.
That is where God’s masterpiece is the creation of us human beings.
God loves us human beings because we act and are very much like him.
Since we are the top of all earthly life and God is at the top of everything.
But God’s greatest grandeur is shown in his mercy for us all human beings.
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LET US JUST IMAGINE, GOD:
If created things would speak for themselves what would they say about God?
When at night I look at the sky and at the stars, I would like to ask the stars;
Tell me you beautiful stars, who is God? Order those stars will answer me.
When in the gardens I see all these beautiful flowers, I would like to ask those flowers;
Tell me you beautiful flowers, who is God? Beauty those flowers will answer me.
If all living things and animals on earth were able to think, what would they say about God? They would say that God is life, since God has given life to them and to all human beings.
If I were able to meet the wise leaders of the world, I would like to ask those leaders;
Tell me you wise leaders of the world, who is God? I am sure that most of them will answer me: God is the active life-force that guides the whole universe; God is wisdom, God is order, God is beauty, God is life, and God is love; God loves every living thing because every living thing is a part of God Himself; but above all He loves us human beings because we re sample Him, and in his great love and mercy He will forgive us all our life sins, if only we would repent and ask Him forgiveness; because God loves us beyond any human understanding, since He is our Father and we are all his chosen children, whether we are rich or poor, whether we are healthy or sick, whether we are wise or stupid, whether we are young or old, whether we come from Africa, Asia or from anywhere in the world and our skin is different colour, we are all the same to God. Therefore, it would be right for us to assume that we are God’s children and that God loves all of us; but at the same time during our lives we have to learn what God has done for us in the past, so that we may be able to understand our own situation.
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The sacred book of the Bible, which is the book that many religions of the world have come from is full of many things, which God has done for us according to the writers of that time, and if we apply our intelligent minds and learn from it, we would be able to understand about the great love that God has for us, since God has send us many great people to guide the human race, from Moses to our Lord Jesus Christ.
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As we all know there are a few religions that have come from the teaching of the Bible, and I will try to comment on these religions later on. What I want to mention now is the fact that in his love for us, God has sent to us the Savour Our Lord Jesus Christ, who during his short life on earth has showed us by his own life example the way that we should live our own life, if we want to live our lives according to God The Father.
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Let me say this before we depart, we have to try to use the Bible teachings as much as we can, because there is no proof that what we are looking for is going to be the real thing, so this article about describe your God is just an article how you describe your God.
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Having done so much work at this meeting we all were feeling tired, I was thinking that we did not even mention anything about the last meeting, which ended while we were talking the very end of the Bible and what it meant: but anyhow we have done enough this third meeting, so I never said anything to my friends about that and went along with them, so we stopped our religious meeting and spend the rest of the time as friends usually do, having a drink together and chatting light enjoyable small talks.
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Tuesday, November 9, 2010

God sent task

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(Frank M. Version) Post 14
God sent task
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CHAPTER 2
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After a very long time and reflections about this God sent task that seems to be within my heart and soul all the time and never lets me go; I have come to the conclusion that perhaps I could never find peace within myself unless I fulfil my desire to write about these religious beliefs; so, I have decided to talk to my friends again, in the hope that they now may have come to see this God sent task in a more favourable way.
So I have called them to let them know that I would like to see them again on these religious subjects, that is whenever they have some spare time, I have been waiting for them for a while now, while I have been waiting I thought that it could be a good thing to write down the reasons why I started to write these religious writings.
Anyhow, while I was thinking about this God sent task, I became aware that one of the reasons why I want to do something about it was and is, that I see God somehow different from everybody else, now that I have said it, I need to explain what I think God may be like, in the hope that this explanation in this article may help me to explain myself better to my reader and to my friends and win their consent.
I suppose you may be asking yourself why this has happened to me, so, let me first inform you my dear readers the reason why I started to write these religious writings; well it was for my own personal reasons which I will explain to you better later on, I have started to write these religious writings as my personal prayer to Our Father God Most High, therefore, these writings are being written as my personal prayers to God Most High, which I pray from the bottom of my heart, my soul and my mind, I pray every day of my life, while I am happy and while I am sad and distressed. Therefore within these writings here will be lots of prayers: In some of these prayers I’ll be praying God for forgiveness in order to become purified, and therefore become worthy to become God’s servant and therefore to write God’s things; and then again in another prayer I’ll be invoking help from God so that I would be able to write my religious writings the proper way, and in some prayers I will be asking God to protect me from the forces of evil; because the force of evil may try to take me away from God’s life force, therefore it is important for me to beware the forces of evil and pray God to help me.
So, just now I am praying God to send me an angel from the realm of glory, who would suggest me how to write something about God’s Creation and the Creator Glory, so that I could be inspired and be able to continue to write my religious writings.
This is what came to my mind; I have to define who is God and what God is like and why we need religion and God?
I have to stop writing now, because I can hear somebody at the door, I can hear the voices of my friends, so they are here now. Let me go to meet them.
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The Meeting
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After greeting them and all other niceties that occur every time good friends meet, I, Mark and Gino set down and made ourselves comfortable, started to talk about the agenda of the meeting, and I asked them;
So, why you did not brink anybody else with you? Is it because any other friend does not want to take part in these religious talks?
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What is the matter with them? Perhaps they are really scared to do anything, because of that Revelation business? I know that for me it is different, because for me this is a God sent task that I want to achieve; But before I start talking about our future task, let me just go back for a moment to talk about our friend John and his Bible Revelation speech, I believe that at this point of time, we should really leave it behind all that scary stuff and we should talk about the future instead, because that is the only way to go, if we want to progress and find a solution for the future. One day we will come back to talk about scary Revelation OK, now let us continue our present God sent task.
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Anyhow, why are they scared about?
Don’t they see that we are talking only and nothing is happening?
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Anyhow that does not matter; perhaps we are better off without them if they worry too much about looking and talking about changes in religious matters.
Now tell me, what do people said when you have talked to them about God and religion lately?
Here Mark was ready to answer me; and this is what he said:
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Mark reply
Well, most of them are not interested about talking religious things, and those who are have expressed themselves in many different ways. So, for you to fulfil what you call, your God sent task is not going to be any easier? Anyhow let me tell you what I found:
(1) Some people believe in God and religion just the way it is, this portion of people do not want any change in religion, so they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays. It is no use to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs.
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(2) There is a portion of people that have doubts about nowadays religions, some of which don’t feel sure whether what is being thought about religion is all true, so, they are believers but with a little doubt in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people but they are not much help, if you want to find new ideas.
(2b) Right in the middle there is this large group of people, which believe in God and religions only up to a point, these people usually are full of all sorts of questions, as they would like to know more, in the hope that they can return to religion fully.
(2c) The extreme in this middle group is formed by those who believe very little in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t believe, one does not know what to do with this group, and yet they are the most interesting ones. That is all there is in this middle group.
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(3) Then there is this last group I would call the danger group for religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and religions, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are usually very intelligent and have a good job, so for them there are no worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of god and religion. Therefore, this well to do group starts putting forwards all sort of stories in order to blame religion for some of the bad things they have done in the past, but they don’t see that mankind have only to blame themselves, because no religion tells its believers to directly kill. Then there is also the fact that a few in this group are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so, they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief they may become the worst of mankind, as they don’t have any respect for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more but I think it is better that I stop here and see what you do think about it all. I only would like to add that what I have learned from all this enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well be important from now on, if we are talking about religious things;
Remember that;
Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.
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Very well said Mark! I said, and so did Gino at the same time.
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Then I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what mark had to say, what do you think of his speech? And what have you found out for yourself, it is your turn to speak.
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Gino speech:
If you hope that my report is better than Mark, you are mistaken and as Mark said your God sent task is not going to be easy.
So, I have to say that Mark and I agree on most of these religious things, so there is no point in repeating them, I only would like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists, as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, any believer should avoid to talk to any of them about religious matters, because soon or later they are inclined to ridicule your religious beliefs, they are usually good intelligent people, so it is hard for any religious people to defend themselves from this group.
They attack believers usually by asking proof of any religious matter, so Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from this group, Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk to get the believers off guard.
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You believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then god should be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.
Now, there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your god does not fix them? We say that your God most likely does not exist; or he is definitely not omnipotent, or he is not willing to fix anything, so your god is not your fatherly benevolent god that you say he is. Therefore your religious beliefs are flawed.
We say that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions are there only to control people, now since religions these days fight with each other and they have been fighting each other since the beginning of the known history of the world, it would have been better if religions did not exist at all?
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This sort of reasoning goes on with many gods attributes and they challenge the believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So it is hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any believers give proof about God?
And god omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and many other God attributes?
For the atheists God and religion is better it does not exist.
What can one do to change their attitude I don’t know?
I hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult report.
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Your speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do you think of Gino speech mark? His speech is very clear for me too; in fact it is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go from here I don’t Know?
OK. I suppose I need to say something myself now, so that I would be able to continue this God sent task.
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Monday, November 1, 2010

Religious discussions

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( Frank M. version) Post 13
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RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS, (secondmeeting)
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As we have already written a post in this blog called, there is a time for everything, I am not going to repeat it here, and anybody wanting to read it just goes to, Frank M. version post 6.
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So now, let us go back to religious discussions, two weeks after the first meeting we had another meeting about Religious views, I was hoping that by now my friends Mark and Gino would bring good news, and that they would be more helpful by accepting my way of thinking, but it was not going to be my way. In fact I had written another prayer and I wanted to see what they thought about my new prayer, but I did not have the chance, therefore I still don’t know whether they will approve it or not, but anyhow let us go back to the meeting.
They came together with another friend called John, the aim of this meeting was to have some religious discussions, but my friends as soon as they saw me they grew serious and they didn’t seem to be happy and their usual self, as they are usually happy when we meet together, so, I guessed that I had given them a burden which at the present time at least seemed to upset them a bit.
So I asked them; what’s the matter my friends? Why aren’t your usual self happy? You seem very grave to me is there anything that is upsetting you my friends?
No, nothing is upsetting us accept the news that we are bringing you, (they said) which is not exactly what you would like to hear; you see we have been talking to a few people about what you would like to do, of course we did not tell them about your supernatural encounter, as we agreed with you that we should not talk about it with any outsiders yet, so, we talked only about what you have intention to do, like reviewing the Bible or something of that sort, the outcome of these talks left us concerned as there is no way to know what people think, so now we are even more concerned than when we started asking those questions, so, we are here to show you what we mean.
Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit upset about what they were still going to say to me, so, I tried to put them at ease.
Well, (I said) I thought that this outcome was likely to happen, because people usually don’t like to think for themselves difficult matters and religion is perhaps the most difficult of them all, so people keep doing and believing what they have been thought to do and believe, as this is for them the easy way out, but really I believe that for sure there must be another unexplored way and I for sure would like to find it out.
Tell me a bit more about this exploration of yours: Did most people give you negative comments about what I would like to do? Or, did they also have some positive comments? If they did both what percentage were they?
Well, they seem to be about half of them, so 50% could be the right figure. But this is not all, because some of them that didn’t like your idea come on very strong, so we thought that it would be good for you to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and really what he has been saying make sense to us.
Now if you agree we may hear what John has to say?
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OK I said bring in on; let John speak.
And this is what John said:


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John’s speech
Dear friends you know already why I am here.
As you all know I have been following up a few religions for a while, just to find out whether to be religious is the right thing to do, and if it were the way one should go, and also to see which one of these existing religions could be the right one for me?
As you all know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible in one way or another.
After having studied them I came to the conclusion that they are more or less the same, so, I dare say that perhaps the best thing for anybody is to stay with the religion your parents have thought you, but really it is up to you what you want to do.
Now, let me come to today task; Mark and Gino here have come to me and told me about what Fran (me) wants to do and as a believer I am concerned about it, so I am here to talk about these concerns of mine, in order to help you to make the right decision.
Recently in a religious group we had a discussion on Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations and other things expressed in Revelation, so they were looking for another way out that would be less demanding on humanity.
To cut a long story short one of the members who was there pointed out that we could do nothing about it, as the Bible itself says that it can’t be changed; so he took the Bible and read the very end of Revelation which says this and I quote:
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John took his Bible and read.
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REVELATION
EPILOGUE
22-16- I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.
17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.
18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;
19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.
20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.
21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.
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(End of quote from Bible)
This is also how, The Jerusalem Bible ends.
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Now, let me go back to the meeting with Mark, Gino and John:
When John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself why I was much concerned and wanted to let you know how I see these religious things.
Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say I feel better already, because the decision is yours if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do, or hear and heed the warning and stop just like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years.
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My answer to John:
I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you gave me; but you see, this is why we are having these religious discussions.
It looks like now that before I do anything I will have to learn a lot more about this warning you gave me and I will not rush into anything: but anyhow let me talk it over with Mark and Gino here to see what they think about it.
Then I turned to Gino and Mark and asked them: What do you think about this Bible warning? I would like to hear your opinion on this subject now.
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Mark’s reply:
Well, what John has brought up sounds very serious to me, and I dare say that perhaps you Fran have to moderate most of your ideology, so that it does not change anything that is said in the Bible, in a way that it contests the Bible scriptures; look Fran a lot of generations have gone past and they all have accepted the bible just the way it is, so I don’t know why you see it in a different way.
I would like to suggest that we study first the Bible a bit longer before you do anything about it; what do you say to my request? Would you agree to study the Bible with us for a while yet before you make any decision?

We all said yes to Mark’s questions saying, we agree with you that we need to study more before we do anything.
Then I added, but I would like to know also what Gino personally thinks about John’s warning and everything else? So, Gino tell us what you think about this present discussion? I am sure that you have your own way of seeing these religious things.
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Gino’s reply:
Well, I agree with Mark that we should really study the situation before we do anything; I want also to say that I was partly surprised about the way of John’s interpretation of the Bible, I think that there may be another meaning to this sinister warning. What makes me think this is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way it is said, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel sounds very harsh and he issues threatening warnings, he seems completely changed; So I say that there are several meanings in those writings, and I would say that we should investigate and proceed with caution.
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Me to Gino- Gino! What do you mean by proceed with caution?
Gino to me- What else can you do? You can’t rush things in a situation like this. You may have to read the Bible once or twice more from the beginning until the very end; or at least all the new Testament to find the meaning of what has been said, and then and only then, you may be in a position to decide what to do.
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Mark said- Fran, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do.
Then if it is God’s will that you have to write these religious writings, God will make sure that you will find enough time and also the right way how to do it?
Now, since we have already spent a great deal of time on these religious discussions, I suggest that we adjourn the meeting for another time. So, let us enjoy ourselves the usual way before we have to depart our own way, okay?
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