Theists and Atheists views
Welcome to our article, Theists and Atheists views
May God guide and
help me to say the right things?
Dear readers, I am writing this article according to our existing beliefs, and it is not an attack on religions. We believe that for religions to survive the present religious attacks from the atheists, from the extremist and other religious groups, religions need to be modified and agree with each other and our logic human reasoning. So, what we are writing in this article is going to spare no one, in fact, it is going to be a double-edged argument that attacks everything that does not stand up to our logic human reasoning.
Anyhow, the atheists want religions to disappear, they see religions as a tool
that is used to control people and it does more harm than good. But they do not see
that by controlling people with religious beliefs, it is easier than
controlling them with human laws, that may need physical intervention.
Well, we cannot
blame the atheists completely, because religions have committed many mistakes and atrocities, the most known of these are: The
Crucifixion of Jesus Christ, The Crusades, The Inquisition, religious wars, and other people killing in the name of God, when God has nothing to do with it.
Looking at all these violent happenings, we hope that somehow we can find a religious solution, where religions can be modified, to play their role of peaceful coexistence. So, we want to discuss the views between the theist and atheists and point out the problems.
To me and to most of us to live without religion is absurd, you see humanity has always needed religions since the beginning of recorded times, therefore, religions are here to stay perhaps in a modified way, so, we should look for ways that do not clash with what we believe now, and modify religions accordingly, we hope that the religious people and the atheists accept our suggestions.
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Theists and atheists.
Having talked about the atheists, now we must say something about the theists’ view that stand fast in their beliefs, even when their beliefs cannot be sustained by logic human reasoning. They say that the Bible is the word of God, so, they believe that what is written in the Bible is true and believe anything they are told.
You see, they want us to believe that the
Bible is the word of God, as if God was dictating to the writers of those times
what to write. But the writers of those times were writing what they believed
God put into their hearts, so, they believed themselves that what they were
writing was the word of God, they needed to believe that to write what they did.
Then, they could only write according to the knowledge that they had in those times, which was a lot less than today, this is the reason why today we can see their mistakes. Anyhow, religions are manmade because if they were dictated by God, or they were inspired from God there would be no mistakes. But there are mistake, because they are manmade, so, they can be modified if they need to be modified.
Anyhow, the most important religious book that we know in the western world is the Bible; so, let us talk about the Bible. But, before I start, because I believe in the existence of God, my spiritual side is warning me to pray, even if my God is different from what most people want us to believe God is like.
Prayer to God Most
High
My Lord, I come to
you praying God-Most-High master and eternal life giver of the entire universe,
I am praying thee for forgiveness of my sins, and reconciliation, cleansing, guidance,
and blessing. Father, I am praying and hoping that in your mercy you would
forgive me all my life sins, and that you would make me spiritually clean of
any impurities that may affect my soul; and thus, I would become worthy to
write these religious writing, as humanely as possible according to your will. Father,
hear my prayer! Amen.
Now that I have
prayed to God Most High, I feel confident that I can write what I believe needs
to be written; because God can accept what I am writing in good faith.
I believe that it is important to note that there are incorrect things written in the Bible. Now, to show you what I mean, I am going to write some examples hereunder. So, today I want to talk about the Flood that never was as big as the Bible wants us to believe it was, and then, talk about what happened after the Flood, in the Patriarch which again is not correct. I believe that the writers of those times were not aware of their mistakes, since their knowledge was limited. So, let us see this example about the Universal Flood
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The universal flood examples.
We believe that the
universal Flood, as it is written in the Bible has never happened, because it
cannot have happened to that extend, where all the earth was flooded, but at
the same time there must have been a flood, because it is written in the Bible,
but it was not as widespread as it is written in the Bible, and not at the time
the Bible writers want us to believe it happened. If anything like the
universal Flood happened, it must have been several thousands of years before
the date that the Bible claims The Flood has
happened.
Let me make this as
simple as possible, today the Dead Sea in the Middle East is 423 meters below
sea level, and to a lesser degree are the surrounding lands of the, Jordan
valley- Israel- Jordan, even the sea of Galilee is 208 meters below sea level,
therefore, a lot of land in this geographic position is below sea level. The
point we want to make is this; if there was the Flood as the Bible claims it to
have been, then all these low laying areas must have been flooded, since the Bible
claims that all the earth was under water, which has never been the case, I am
saying this because it is impossible for all that 423 meter deep of water to evaporate
since then.
List of places on land with elevations below sea level - Wikipedia ...
If there ever was
the Flood, it must have been much small than what the Bible claims, or it must
have happened hundreds of thousand years before, so, what is written in the
Bible is not correct.
On this subject the
atheist would say that most civilizations have a story of a major flood that
happened for various reasons: even in the Greek and Roman religions, there is
this flood that Jupiter with the other gods caused, because people were bad and
they wanted to destroy them, so, the flood in the Bible is not the only flood
in history of mankind. Try this link below if it works:
The Greek Myth of
Deucalion and Pyrrha and the Great Flood
This example above
is about the flood, but there is more to say about the timing of other events.
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Explaining wrong timing example.
In this example, the timing elapsed between happenings is wrong; I have noted it, while I was reading the Patriarch in the Bible. Now, this only means that the writer of the Patriarch wasn’t aware when he wrote it, that those dates or number of years mentioned in his writings would not add up correctly.
Therefore, I believe that the writer must have been concerned only about the events. But if something is not written the right way, it does not make sense, so, we must explain the reasons why it happened, and if it can be fixed.
In the past people and even the writers themselves were not aware of these mistakes because they were not as learned as nowadays, and perhaps careless, because those who wrote the Patriarch could have done a better job, if they had checked what they were writing then. We believe that they wrote to keep religion going the best way they could, if something was not correct it did not matter; if they were able to keep the believers faithful their job was done. But today when almost everybody can read, and with the help of the computer in most households, if anything is not correct it will show up. It is so easy to make mistakes.
So, I was led to believe that the writer of Genesis did not have the knowledge of the time that had passed between these events. And it seems to me that he is only writing the story as it has been told from generation to generation, anyhow, the length of time is not very important, as everything is in the past, with the exception of seeing whether it is correct or not. The same thing happens later, when the writers talk the events after the flood.
Counting the years after the flood.
In
the Patriarch, after the flood, again the writer is writing a story the way that
it has been told from generation to generation. But here it becomes obvious to
an observant reader, that the numbers of years mentioned don’t add up at all,
because the number of years and the generations that the writer mentions, are
not enough to achieve the re-growth of the population, and the events that
happened during that mentioned time frame. So, if the reader would become aware that there must be quite a few
generations missed out, it also contradicts other length of time, and here I
want to write everything down the way it is written in the Bible to show you
what I mean.
Just
to make it a little bit easier to calculate, it would be helpful to take, the
year of The Flood, as year zero, and then we can calculate the years that have
passed since the flood according to the writer list of The Patriarchs. So, the
following list is how it can be worked out.
Start
counting from, The Flood, taken as year zero. 0
Shem
descendants, only the first born would be written in here:
Shem,
became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood; 2
Arpachshad,
became the father of Shelah, when he was 35 years old; 35
Shelah,
became the father of Eber, when he was 30 years old; 30
Eber,
became the father of Peleg, when he was 34 years old; 34
Peleg,
became the father of Reu, when he was 30 years old; 30
Reu,
became the father of Serug when he was 32 years old; 32
Serug,
became the father of Nahor, when he was 30 years old; 30
Nahor,
became the father of Terah, when he was 29 years old; 29
Terah,
became the father of Abraham, when he was 70 years old; 70
So,
if we calculate the number of years past according to this list, from the
Flood
to the birth of Abraham there are only 292 years accounted for. 292 years
Abraham
lived for one hundred and seventy-five years then he died. 175
Therefore,
Abraham died 467 years after the flood according to this list.
It
is written in the Bible that Noah lived 350 years after the flood, and Shem,
the son of Noah lived 500 years after the birth of Arpachshad, So, that means
that he lived 502 after the flood, then both Noah and Arpachshad should have
been still alive at the time of Abraham if the list above were to be correct.
In fact, if everything in the list was correct: Shem, the son of Noah would
have been outliving Abraham by 35 years, and that seems highly impossible.
Now
we have also to take into account the growth of the population that had tried
to build the tower of Babel during that time, which is after the flood and well
before the birth of Abraham, therefore 292 years as I have worked it from the
list above, is not enough time for the population to grow that much and try to
build the tower of Babel. There is also the fact that they could not even think
of building the tower of Babel so soon after the flood, while Noah and Shem
were still living, because they would forbid them to do that, since they would
have known that it would anger Yahweh.
Therefore,
the building of the tower of Babel must have happened at least a few generations
after Noah and Shem died.
By
taking in consideration what I have said above, I reckon that there is at least
one thousand years, and perhaps up to two thousand years not accounted for, in
the list of the Patriarchs as shown above.
Of course, the writer of Genesis never intended that the list above be understood the way I do now. He wrote the story as it was told by his ancestors.
Notwithstanding
what I have said above, we must take in consideration that when the book of
Genesis was written, the writer had to overcome lots of limitations that were
present at those times. The very first limitation was that there were no other
religious books before this one; there wasn’t enough writing material to write
on; there were only a few people that were able to write. Almost everything in
those times was passed through words of mouth from generation to generation,
therefore, when happenings were too old or too many to remember people started
to forget them.
Therefore,
the writer of Genesis did a real great job, if one considers all the possible
limitations that were against him. And the book of Genesis is as good as could
have been written at that time, the value of the book stands high because one
must read it for religious purposes.
Our views of religions.
Dear readers, I hope that these explanations that we have written, in “Explaining timing example” and “After the flood” you can see what I mean, when I say that religions need to be reviewed, or explained why they are written the way that they have been written, so that people can still believe in religions and God, this also include the atheists, who believe in not believing in any religions, I have to conclude that mankind needs to believe in something, one way or the other.
In
these religious writings of, Reconciliation of the Universe, I am going to
write a theory about God of the universe that may help to achieve religious
co-operation worldwide. This religious theory is going to show that God is
life, and how I believe the spiritual life forces of the entire universe can
coexist together; they are in another dimension, but they are linked to our
dimension, as we are going to explain in our theory of Reconciliation of the
universe.
Anyhow, we have written about this theist and atheist views and explained as much as we could, but there is still a lot to be said and we will continue to write more articles, next religious article we will call, Humanity and religious dilemmas.
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See you next time. May God bless us all.
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