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Religious discussions continued
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It would be helpful, if whatever issues we may have, we would discuss them at least with our friends, so that we could see what other people think about those issues?
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Religious discussions continued
As anyone can see, these hubs are being
written to discuss and overcome some of those religious difficulties that arise
today, in order to do that we could say that these religious discussions are
religious studies of how religions serve humanity since we believe that
humanity needs God and religions, therefore we will continue to discuss these issues,
in the hope of finding our way how to overcome those difficulties.
Now, this hub is Religious discussions three,
being also part of Prayers
for Reconciliation and a
chapter of our religious writings and the continuation of discussions two,
where we left with Gino wanting to talk to our friend John in an aggressive
way, so let us see what he had to say?
Dear readers, in order to make it easier for
you to understand what is happening, and before we write Gino speech down, or
should I say before we write Gino argument with John, we would like to let you
know what sort of a bloke Gino is; you see Gino sometimes likes to make an
argument out of anything, religiously Gino is a Christian or Christian
agnostic, sometimes depends on the way he feels he may even act as an atheist,
so we wonder what he is going to say to John next.
Now let us say who is John; well John is a
very religious bloke that really believes in his Jehovah witness religion, so
everything for John is exactly as the Bible says. Now as we have already said
in our last hub, Gino seems keen to talk to John, therefore looking at these
two friends that seem to be on a collision course, we are just concerned but
curious how this religious discussion or debate is going to be like soon. So
let us see first what Gino is going to say to John:
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Religious debate or discussions
After my conclusion on Mark speech in our
last article, Religious discussions two: Gino approaches John and starts to
talk to him thus:
Gino to John
Hey John did you hear Mark speech; he knows a
lot about religions, doesn’t he? So now that you have heard all that religious
stuff, and knowing that there are lots of other religions in the world just
because man needs
God somehow,
I am asking you this, are you still going to think the same and follow your
Jehovah witness religious beliefs as if it is the only possible way to go on
believing in your religion? Or are you going to be just like one of us and be
open to any religious discussion or comment and sometimes accept that comment.
You see one can never be sure if what we have been told about God and other
religious beliefs if they are true or not. What do you say to that?
John to Gino
Look Gino, Mark may know a fair bit about
religions, I will give you that; but you have to admit that what he has said is
only general knowledge, that is the way I feel about his speech; also I need to
add that I am not convinced that religious things are exactly the way he said,
so I am still one hundred per cent sure that I am right about my own religious
beliefs, so I am not going to change at all my beliefs based on Mark speech
okay!
Gino to John
John, you are really a believer and believe
in God and whatever is written in the Bible, but really you should think again
about your beliefs, as you have heard there are a lot more religions in the
world, so, there may be, I say may be that one of these other religions might
be right and your beliefs are not. Look I don’t really want to be hard on your
religious beliefs here, but there are a lot of people that think otherwise, in
fact there are even people that do not believe in God at all as you may know,
in fact there are good intelligent people that recon that God does not exist
and there was no creation as the Bible says, because there is no need for a god
to create life, you see it is possible that simple life just came about by
itself, and then with the passing of time it grew and became the way it is
today through evolution, you know there is a theory about this issue.
John to Gino
I am sorry to say this Gino, but today you
sound to me that you have become an atheist; I thought that somehow you were a
Christian and that you believed in God somehow, I think I have made a mistake
in judging you a Christian, because today you don’t sound like a Christian at
all, you know what I mean, a Christian is a person that believes
in God and fears
God, because he wants God to see that he deserves better or perhaps eternal
life?
Gino to John
I know that John, but you see I just wanted
to see what you thought about religions, let me say outside your Jehovah
wetness religion. For instance, do you really believe that God created
everything in seven days like the Bible says, or do you have some doubts about
creation yourself?
John to Gino
There you are again; you are indeed an
atheist and next thing you are going to say to me, that through evolution and
the forces of nature everything created itself and that we are monkeys that
through evolution have become humans. You know what I mean, monkeys eating
bananas, do you see a monkey in yourself and me or do you see a person. Just
listen to me Gino, monkeys are monkeys and cannot be anything else, and humans
are people just like Adam who was created as a person, like God said in his own
image, don’t you see that?
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Preventing a religious argument
My comment (Frank)
Up to this point
the rest of the group I, Mark and a couple of other guys were talking various
things, while at the same time I was paying attention to what Gino and John
were talking about, just because I thought that Gino could really upset John
somehow, and I knew that I was right to think about that because something was
going to happen right now, therefore I had to do something to prevent this
religious argument escalate. So, I winked at Mark and pointed out to him that
something needed our attention so to speak, and we moved closer to Gino and
John, and then I said: you two really seem that you want to solve the world
religious problems right away, don’t you? But I have to tell you that it is
very unlikely that we would be able to find a way out by carrying on and
arguing the way you two do, because it is more likely that we can find a way
out if we happen to have the same views on some religious subjects.
Now since you have
started this conversation about creation and evolution, which seems to be the
most important piece of evidence that we all want to find out one way or
another that is if we can find any evidence either way. The point is here that
we need that evidence to decide about our religious beliefs, and also about how
much creation really took place, and what could have been the role of evolution
at the same time, in other words how the creation of mankind happened.
We have reasons to
believe that in order to do that we need to break our information source in
small pieces and decide with our own mental capacity and logic common sense, if
what is being presented to us can be true or not. In other words anything that
is presented to us we must question the questionable and answer those questions
truthfully.
Now since Gino and
John have started this conversation about creation, let us try if we could do
something about it?
So, may we have the
attention of everybody present, as we would like to ask you these questions
about the creation of man?
Do you really
believe that man was created from God exactly as the Bible says?
After you answer
this question there will be more questions like:
If you answer in
the positive, then the question is, are you sure?
If answer is
negative, then the question is, why not?
So, please answer
our first question: do you believe that man was created from God the same way
as the Bible says?
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Some answer to our question/s
John answers to my question.
Of course, that is the only way possible for
man to be created, because God is the creator of everything, it says so in the
Bible and the Bible is the word of God.
Gino answer
Look, I have to say that I am a Christian,
but even though I am a Christian and believe in many things that I have been
told to believe in this religion, I doubt very much that God has created man
from plain earth soil, as there must be another explanation how man came about
to be created and why the Bible clams that God made man from plain earth soil
or clay?
Mark answer
I see what you mean Gino, so I say that for
myself don’t see any logic for God creating man from dust, let us call it dust,
because in the Bible “Genesis 3:19 says. “By the sweat of your face you shall
eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you
are dust, and to dust you shall return.” But that is the Bible and there must
be a good reason to say that at the time it was written, but here we need to
find out why it was written like that, if we want to get a logic answer?
Peter answer (This is another friend that
came to the meeting)
Just to say something for friendship sake, I
have to say that perhaps I believe a lot like Gino, so I think that if I use my
brains and logic explanation, I say that there must be another logic
explanation why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth ground.
Mike answer (this is another friend at the
meeting, he may be an atheist?)
What I want to say here is that really we are
living in the 21st century
and we know a lot more now than when the Bible was written, so, by logic
explanation hearsay from well educated people and my own intelligence says that
God did not make man from earth ground, because that may very well be an
impossible thing to do even for God. This answer is written assuming
that God exists; you see God may even not exist What about that?
Frank (me the writer)
I see every one of you has got a different
view or beliefs about how man was created, so we need to ask more questions to
find out the reasons why it is like that.
So, let me see what we could ask you next
time.
Dear readers, do you see what we mean here?
This is how religions are today and people will move away from religions if they
cannot be explained better in the future. So it is up to us to do something
that may help humanity understand these religious things. Having said that, now
we would like to suggest that perhaps a new way of interpreting religious books
could be helpful, or even perhaps a new religious theory that would allow God
and the forces of nature work together; in other words God would use evolution
to create all living thing and everything else. We may have to think hard if
this can be possible? May God guide us all?
After these religious discussions above, we
started to talk about other issues that are not worth writing here, since we
would like to keep these hubs just for religious talks?
See you next time.
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